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SRL: Well, when Mother first married Eddie she came to me and
said that she was so sorry about the ranch, because at that
point I was the one who was supposed to become educated for
the ranch, and she promised me.that Eddie would not have
anything to do with the ranch, ever. He was going to have
his own business, his own automobile agency, whatever ....
Of course that never worked out. He never found just
the right thing, and little by little he helped with the
machinery on the ranch, and so forth and so on. Harry was
the manager. But it became increasingly very unhappy.

END OF TAPE 1 OF 3

BEGIN SIDE A OF TAPE 2 OF 3

SRL: Did I tell you about Boo and I running up the long porch?
Is that on the tape? Are we on?

SL: We are on.

SRL: This is live. (Laughing)

SL: Tape two, side·A of the Rancho Camulos Oral History Project
interview with Shirley Lorenz, Suzanne Lawrence, aned Cynthia
Thompson, sitting at the table· indoors now - it got blustery
out. We've had a good lunch, and we've kicked around a lot
of ideas.
I think what we want tp do at this point is talk about·
just everyday life at the rancho. One of the things you
mentioned at another time, Shirley, when you and I were
talking ... you said that your father would go to I suppose
the bunkhouse, or where the men were, and discuss the work
of the day, and then he would come back to the house and he
would have a second breakfast, and you'd plan your own day.

SRL: Yes, that's very true. The ranch was run by a siren, which
floated down the valley. Piru ran by the siren, so did
Newhall Ranch. 7:00 in the morning, 12 noon, 1:00 in the
afternoon, and 5:00. Very loud siren, re-echoed down the
valley.
But our own family was run by a gong outside the dining
room. It would reverberate around the gardens and everything-
and bring us in. Instead of everybody screeching, which we
did also. (Laughing)

SL: Did you ever use the del Valle bells? Or had they been
taken off the armature?

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