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                    two  o'clock.
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                           q,      What was your       observationof         the conditionof the dam
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                    at that time?
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                           A       There was a leak that brought us there.                   llr. VanNorman
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                    and myself were brought there and  it was a  leak  thathad not maJli-
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                    fested itself before, a new  one.                It was runningdown the slope
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                    a hill and running across an old side hill out where there was a
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                           Q      On  which side?
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                           A       On  the west  side.         An  old  construction ..., rmmtng up
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                    there  and  washing  the  dirt which was thrownfrom that road,                         and
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                    made 41.rv water.          Thekeeper telephoned us that the waterwas
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                    dirty    andwe went up there and             the waterwas notdirty and had not
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                    been dirty, but it was cutting.                  It was  throwingit to the side
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                    of the road,
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                    arelittle seepshere and there and I will sayas to thatfeature
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                    of it    that of all the dams I  have built and of all the  damsaI ha
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                    ever seen, it was  the  driest dam of its                 size I  ever saw in mylife. •
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                    I  have traveled many miles to lok                 at new damshereand thereand
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                    everywhere.        Dams are one of the features of engineering,especially
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                             in the hydraulic office, that we go to look at.
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                    or nearly full then, within             a  foot and a Ml1 of lastyear --not
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                    all last year -- but sixor seven months. And this year it has
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                    gradually filled         up to the overflow         point and it       was the driest
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                    dam I  ever saw.          It was the driestfor a massive                dam, I  eversaw.
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                    We were there --Mr. Van lfGr.man  and I  went                 l1Jl  --     it._  was about
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                    due time for me to go  up because II  have  been in the habit                       of going
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                          up there, and to allthe damswe  have  got, at leasdtonce in
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                    ten taye  or two weeks.             It is part of my patrol, but Mr.Van
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                    Norman&J'l(\  I  went up therethat morning becausae Tony Harnischfeger --
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                    that is the man who was drownedthere, and he was  the keeper --
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                           Q.
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