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back cariyons, which could never have ... it was only good for
·cattle. And now you can plant on the hills, and each little
tree has its own little spigot.
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SL: Now you say "we." Is part of this property in back capyons?

SRL: Yes. My sister Boo and I, and my nephew Mike, who represents
his part inherited from my older sister, are the Management
Committee. We do not micro-manage·, we make the big decisions
the long-range planning, etc. etc. so ... And I'm the one who
is closest to it. I keep them weil informed and we do meet
two or three times a year, but- I'm here every week.

SL:. This is approximately 2000 acres?

SRL: It's 1800, around 1800. It was about 2000 when Dad bought
it, but among o th er things, -h he donated that land that's just -
across Piru Creek here, that's the settling ponds? That was
part of Camulos, and he donated -that land for the settling
ponds, to increase the water table.

SL: But you own the land across the highway, across 126.

SRL: Yes. Roughly to the top of the first hills, and the center
of the river.

SL: And that includes the railroad track, and the cemetery, and
some small houses over there.

SRL: Yes.

CT: And who will.-.. forgive me for asking, but I have to. Who
will succeed the three of you?

SRL: Well, the next generation. Ann will succeed me, one of
Boo's four sons, Kevin Trefzger, who lives right now with
his family in the city of Orange, in Orange Cou_nty, he's
been groomed. He's been coming to the meetings, going over
the financial statements, and any of the problems we. have,
so he's ready to step in. And my sister, of course, her
son, he's that generation, the next one down, Michael Blatt.

CT: He's the only ... I know this doesn't have a whole lot to do,
we're skipping here ... is the only thing that Michael Blatt
disagrees with is the development of the forty acres that
has to do with the Museum? The rest of the issues you guys
adhere to, management-wise?